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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:26:48 GMT
WILL BE FOLLOWED UP
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:30:14 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:34:01 GMT
Keith,
The vessel you seek is 1105850 built for Farrar Groves of London in 1896, I have found some reference to her early days in my library, she led a complicated life, and will see if I can do something of a summary for you in the next few days. She has no connesction with the City of Cork Steam Packet Co.
To summarise the facts I'm afraid it will take more than a few words, but here goes.
In 1904 Farrar, Groves & Co.Ltd. owned 12 steamers 9 of which were built by Richardson Duck and of which 'Kinsale' was one. By Feb 1916 Farrars had 9 vessels with 44% requisitioned by the Admiralty for war service. Prices for 2nd hand tonnage were however increasing due to the heavy war losses, and could have been the reason for the sale of 'Kinsale' to McClay & McKintyre of Glasgow, and by 1918/19 Farrars had sold their last 4 ships to J.C.Gould of Cardiff. 'Kinsale' appears to have been acquired from the Glasgow firm by the newly formed Pennant Shipping Co.Ltd (John Daniel & Co.) along with the 'Glassford', but 'Kinsale' had to be sold shortly afterwards incurring a loss of £11,000, with 'Glassford' in trouble in the Balkans area and the company despite new managers taking over folded in 1924. It would appear that this was the juncture when'Kinsale' left British ownership for Italy as 'Simeto'. A further name change to 'Lina Perrone' in 1931 took place and the next time I have come across her is in the ownership of Ernst Bergmann of Tallinn, Estonia in 1939 this time with another name change to 'Liina' and surviving her 2nd world war. Her reported seizure by USSR would seen to be questionable, as my source indicates that she was more likely purchased from Estonia in 1945. Her end came in a gale when she foundered 40nm West of Klaipeda in 1947, after 51 years of what would be hard work in dangerous waters, not a bad record. Out of interest Farrars vessels were in the main named after lighthouses at the time of her build, i'm not sure there is one on the Old Head of Kinsale, but would be surprised if there wasn't, if so that would account for her original name.
Kind regards, Ray Lloyd.
OUR THANKS ARE EXTENDED TO RAY FOR ALL ASSISTANCE. KG.
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:41:39 GMT
> KINSALE 105850 many owners but 1909-1916 owned by Maclay & McIntyre,Glasgow, 1916-1919 Tree SS Co (Howard-Jones & King), Glasgow. 1923 sold to Italy renamed SIMETO, then LINA PERRONE, 1930 sold to Estonia renamed LIINA,1940 seized by USSR, 1947 sank in gale. Seems to conflict with SS. Kinsale 1930-33 City of Cork Steam Packet Co www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=6240 |
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:42:33 GMT
Last Name: ULSTER MERCHANT
Previous Names: CUMBERLAND COAST : KINSALE : CAMBRIAN COAST
Port of Registry: Belfast
Propulsion: Inverted triple expansion single screw cyldrs 16 26 42 .9.5 knots
Launched: Wednesday, 29/12/1920
Built: 1922
Ship Type: Coaster
Ship's Role: cargo ship
Tonnage: 758.50 grt
Length: 208 feet
Breadth: 32 feet 10
Draught: 14 feet 3
Owner History:
G .& J. Burns Ltd, Glasgow
Status: Scrapped - 08/10/1954
Remarks:
O.N. 146282.
Launched 1920 but work suspended until 1922.
Original name to be Princess Dagmar but completed in February 1922 as Gorilla.
16/08/1922: Sunk by IRA near Cork and repaired by builders.
1925: To Coast lines as Cumberland Coast.
1929: To City of Cork SP Co as Kinsale.
1941: To Belfast SS Co as Ulster Merchant.
08/10/1954: To John Cashmore, Newport, Monmouth for scrapping.
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:44:56 GMT
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:49:38 GMT
We continue to research Her Name Was Kinsale and will pass on all findings to the Mayor, Harbour Board Commissioiners and fishing community, friends and townspeople with all documentation and reports available to the Museum at / in Kinsale.
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Post by Administrator on Jul 17, 2008 20:55:47 GMT
We further thank Bily McGee for all help and assistance and hope to both continue and complete our research, this will include not only the memory of a Merchant Ship that proudly bore the name of the town, but also as many names of Kinsale Merchant Seamen, Heroes all. KG.
ALL ASSISTANCE REQUIRED:
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Post by KG on Jul 17, 2008 21:06:23 GMT
Hello Keith,
I believe this is the one you want.
1920 GORILLA 1925 - CIMBERLAND COAST - 1930 KINSALE - 1933 CAMBRIAN COAST - 19 47 ULSTER MERCHANT. Broken up at Newport 1954.
Rgds Billy
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